Virgo Prophecy

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Prophecy

Planet X is predicted to appear October 5, 2017 and when it comes it will eclipse both the Sun and the Moon. It is estimated to appear between the legs of Virgo and will be seen because the Sun will be darkened by its shadow. Several Christian astronomers believe this will be the fulfillment of the 6th seal of Revelation 6:12 –. The Virgo Man is attentive and warm in his private life, enthralled by fondness, fascinated by the tactile sensation and as meticulous as in any other activity. As a lover and husband, he is a bit childish and dependent, he is overjoyed for the affection he receives and for any appreciation, no matter how small it is; he will do anything to. John sees the woman in heaven in travail with birth pangs, as she is about to give birth to the Messiah - this is the beginning of the redemptive story of man found in the constellation Virgo, as discussed in the last section. Virgo means 'the virgin.' This Virgo Potens production of the Joyful Mysteries (Mysteria Gaudiosa) contains the recitation of the rosary along with holy icons and the Latin text. The most holy rosary is a powerful heavenly weapon and piously praying it each day makes the Devil and his demons tremble.

I don't have time to fix the article but for a starters most christians say rev 12 is about the birth of Jesus. Only a tiny minority and no Christian church or organization say it is about the constellation Virgo. The word Virgo does not occur in the Bible.

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Have added an extra para to the lede. The whole thing is full of bias and weasel words. Example 'Interpretations of Revelation 12 vary, but the general consensus of some people'. What is the 'general consensus of some people'? Doesn't make sense. It means that one or two people - mainly David Meade and the red top tabloids in the UK and a few others that have latched on to the story and gullible people who were taken in by it.

I'm not sure how much I can do before tomorrow as I am being rushed off my feet by pm's from scared and sometimes suicidal people messaging me about it right now. Robert Walker (talk) 22:35, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Robertinventor: I agree, another problem is the bad quality of several sources (another editor recently removed my tag about this without solving it). This article was also victim of linkspam several times. —PaleoNeonate – 00:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
In any case, very soon Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions will be relevant in the see also section. —PaleoNeonate – 00:17, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Okay. I support you in that tag of course, if anyone tries to remove it. Yes perhaps that's the best we can do is to tag it until Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions applies to it. Oh, I've got a quote I may add at the start of it. Robert Walker (talk) 00:59, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Just added a dismissive quote from Ed Stetzer who seems a good source on evengalical Cristianity as executive director of the Billy Graham center: see Revelation 12 Sign which may help the reader until someone has time to clear up the mess. Robert Walker (talk) 01:04, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Virgo Prophecy

Well, this page is truly a mess, but I think any discussion of the sign in Revelation 12:1-2 also needs to include discussion of the sign in Revelation 12:3-4 (the appearance of the Red Dragon). A reasonable interpretation at the current time would be that the sign in Revelation 12:1-2 has been fulfilled (because astronomical programs confirm the alignment occurred on September 23, 2017), but that the sign from Revelation 12:3-4 that is to follow is still awaiting fulfillment. Any speculation about 'end of the world scenarios' should remain irrelevant based on the clear text of Revelation 12 until clear proof is presented that the 'Red Dragon' sign has also appeared in the sky.Mark3210 (talk) 05:46, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@Mark3210:A reasonable interpretation at the current time would be that the sign in Revelation 12:1-2 has been fulfilled this too would present a fringe view (i.e. starting with the belief that the Revelation apocalyptic literature contained astrological references, then following with particular interpretations about the text's setting and what it allegedly predicted)... —PaleoNeonate – 06:07, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Whether a hoax/false prophecy or not, this article still needs to maintain accurate statements. Wikipedia isn't in the business of proving or disproving things, but stating facts. The claim that no churches supported this prediction is actually mistaken. With just a 2-minute Google search I found a number of large churches promoting this prediction: Pacific Christian Center in Tacoma, WA; Discover Church in Melbourne, AU; LifeStory Church in Nashville, TN; Calvary Chapel in Kaneohe, HI. There were probably others then. Also I couldn't find any source for the claim the prediction was that the tribulation would begin on 9/23, even from David Meade. It seems the general belief was that this was sign of things to come. —Creole54 – 19:40, 06 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your changes Creole54, I agree with them. One note however (quoting from the edit summary: the criticism section is overwhelmingly unbalanced against). To avoid WP:FALSEBALANCE, an article cannot simply state an equal number of apologetic/counter claims. WP:YESPOV also has: Avoid stating facts as opinions meaning that to state the obvious it's unnecessary to attribute it to someone and make it appear like it's an opinion. Furthermore, WP:PSCI applies here (astrology being pseudoscience). Finally, it's even acceptable per WP:PARITY to use less than ideal sources if they are required to support the obvious and counter fringe claims, when the topic lacks enough coverage to have sufficient reliable source for criticism. So I would not agree to unreasonably trim the criticism. The prophecy failed, afterall. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 01:46, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Bias[edit]

In the overview section this appears'Some, such as Lloyd F. Acree, claim a direct revelation from God brought the event to the world's attention as confirmation of the pre-tribulation Rapture and its timing to be in the year 2017. Shortly after L. Acree claims to have received his message in early Spring of 2017, he then took to preaching the prediction on various social media outlets and with the use of a sandwich board in the streets of Simpsonville, SC.'

This seems to be self promotion, as does the entire Wiki Entry. It cannot be said that a person on one streetcorner in one city 'brought the event to the world's attention' in light of a provable lack of world reporting on that very activity.I suspect that Acree may have created this entire Wiki page or at least, personally added himself to it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzzbbird (talk • contribs) 12:44, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@Buzzbbird: that's possible, various COI editors visited to insert their own promotional material and claims, some of which were soon reverted, but other problematic edits probably abound (as well as unreliable source references). Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 14:10, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Prophecy vs prophesy[edit]

Virgo Constellation 9/23/17 Prophecy

Prophecy: 'A declaration of something to come' (i.e. a prophecy), prophesy: 'To utter predictions' (i.e. to prophesy which is similar to prophess). The article's title should probably use prophecy and the recent edit from the IP address appears to be right. —PaleoNeonate – 20:55, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Done renamed. —PaleoNeonate – 01:55, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Very biased[edit]

If you didn't know better and read this article, you might think the idea is widely supported by Christians. It's not. It's not even supported by the Bible belt evangelicals in the US. The very idea of a rapture is repudiated by Catholics, Presbyterians, Church of England, Church of Scotland, Quakers, ... The idea that the Bible is a work of astrology in which you have descriptions of star signs is not supported by any theologians of significance at all - there is not a single planet or constellation of the zodiac mentioned anywhere in the Bible and it has warnings against astrologers.

The people promoting this bizarre interpretation of Rev 12 are writers for blogs and unreliable sites like planet X news, and YouTube video uploaders, and authors of sensationalist posts in red top tabloids like the Daily Express.

There is some interest in the topic because it scared so many people that it came to notice of major papers and even had an extra debunking paragraph added to the NASA 2012 debunk, first time since 2012 that NASA felt they had to debunk one of these stories. The history section is useful, to know where the idea came from, too.

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But it should not be presented as mainstream Christian. There isn't a single organized Church that subscribes to it as far as I know. It's lunatic fringe people with no background in theology who promote this stuff. I think the article should make that clear somehow, but I am not sure how. Robert Walker (talk) 03:10, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hi, while I wait on some copy editing to be done on my David Meade article and while I wait for peer reviews on it, I thought it would be a good idea to improve this article since it's totally broken in many way. Is there any ways I can help (sentences to change, paragraphs to trim and fix)? If so, feel free to list what I can do to help out the article. I'm definitely happy to help the article out. --LovelyGirl7talk 22:54, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I've closed the helpme, since it will only get attention from one or two people. There are about 20 folks who watch this page, but if you don't get replies I suggest you contact some of the WikiProjects listed at the top of this talk. Primefac (talk) 23:06, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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